Koran 58:5-10

58:5 Indeed, those who oppose Allah and His Messenger are abased as those before them were abased.

And We have certainly sent down verses of clear evidence.

And for the disbelievers is a humiliating punishment 6 On the Day when Allah will resurrect them all and inform them of what they did.

Allah had enumerated it, while they forgot it; and Allah is, over all things, Witness.

7 Have you not considered that Allah knows what is in the heavens and what is on the earth?

There are not three in a private conversation but that He is the fourth of them, nor are there five but that He is the sixth of them – and no less than that and no more except that He is with them [in knowledge] wherever they are.

Then He will inform them of what they did, on the Day of Resurrection.

Indeed Allah is, of all things, Knowing.

8 Have you not considered those who were forbidden from private conversation [i.e., ridicule and conspiracy] and then return to that which they were forbidden and converse among themselves about sin and aggression and disobedience to the Messenger?

And when they come to you, they greet you with that [word] by which Allah does not greet you and say among themselves, “Why does Allah not punish us for what we say?”

Sufficient for them is Hell, which they will [enter to] burn, and wretched is the destination.

9 O you who have believed, when you converse privately, do not converse about sin and aggression and disobedience to the Messenger but converse about righteousness and piety.

And fear Allah, to whom you will be gathered.

10 Private conversation is only from Satan that he may grieve those who have believed, but he will not harm them at all except by permission of Allah.

And upon Allah let the believers rely.

Koran 58:5-10

Muhammad commits shirk with: “We”, “Us” or “Our”, placing Allah as a companion to himself, showing that Allah is incoherent, imaginary, and fictional, and so Islam is incoherent with monotheism, thus Islam is contradictory and false.

Muhammad claims that those who oppose Allah and his messenger are abased. None of that happens. In fact, those who oppose Allah and his messenger are superior in many ways to Muslims, as should be evident by Western civilisation being far better than Islamic countries.

Notice the meta-reference in verse 5 with: “And We have certainly sent down verses of clear evidence.” Obviously, this is “We” lying again as usual because no verses have been sent down. The verses of Muhammad are repetitive drivel, nonsense and lies. And of course, a meta-reference means that this passage is not the perfect words of the perfect Qur’an from perfect Allah, so showing Allah, Muhammad, Islam, and the Koran are false.

As for the “disbelievers is a humiliating punishment”, nothing has happened for 1400 years. Justice delayed is no justice. All the people of Muhammad’s time are long dead; they are dust in the sand, none have been resurrected by an imaginary Allah, so showing Allah, Muhammad, Islam, and the Koran are false.

As for claiming “they forgot it”, Muhammad continues to fail to produce evidence of it. Muhammad’s presumption is not enough. This is merely an admission that Allah doesn’t guide, as it’s an idol.

Notice “private” – this seems to be about Muhammad being mocked. Muhammad includes examples of himself and his idol being mocked in his Koran, like “Allah’s hand is chained.” Perhaps this is an example of “Allah” enumerating?

Notice that Muhammad is copying from the Christians about Jesus being with Christians but with Allah:

Have you not considered that Allah knows what is in the heavens and what is on the earth? There are not three in a private conversation but that He is the fourth of them, nor are there five but that He is the sixth of them – and no less than that and no more except that He is with them [in knowledge] wherever they are. Then He will inform them of what they did, on the Day of Resurrection. Indeed Allah is, of all things, Knowing.

Koran 58:7

Now see what Jesus said:

19 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”

NIV Matthew 18:19-20

Now, if “Allah knows what is in the heavens and what is on the earth?” why does Allah need to be with people? And if Allah can be with people, why can’t he inform the group of people what his words are, so as not to need Muhammad to be alive? Of course, the reason is that Allah is imaginary, fictional, a stone idol and an alternative personality of Muhammad. Muhammad is boasting. Muhammad even boasts of Allah talking with people directly: “Then He will inform them of what they did”. Of course, it’s on the “Day of Resurrection”, which hasn’t happened for 1400 years and will never happen.

Muhammad carefully records an objection: “Why does Allah not punish us for what we say?” and has no answer, except threats, which never came true: “Sufficient for them is Hell, which they will [enter to] burn, and wretched is the destination.”

Muhammad tries to pre-emptively stop discussion about Islam, because when people do discuss Islam, they will find incoherent nonsense and lies, so showing the Koran, Islam, Allah and Muhammad are frauds and false. A real god would revel in the one truth and encourage people to talk about itself. In Islam, Muhammad forbids such talk.

The best replacement for this passage is: “”, the empty sentence.