Koran 17:90-93

17:90 And they say, “We will not believe you until you break open for us from the ground a spring. 91 Or [until] you have a garden of palm tress and grapes and make rivers gush forth within them in force [and abundance] 92 Or you make the heaven fall upon us in fragments as you have claimed or you bring Allah and the angels before [us] 93 Or you have a house of gold or you ascend into the sky. And [even then], we will not believe in your ascension until you bring down to us a book we may read.”

Say, “Exalted is my Lord! Was I ever but a human messenger?”

Koran 17:90-93

Muhammad, in his Koran, addresses a sentence, verse, or passage to “Anonymous They”, with “they”, “them”, “he”, “your”, “the people”, and so on, without naming them. For more, read Anonymous They.

The scholars of Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 17:90, make the “they” clear, naming them as the Quraysh. Notice that Muhammad didn’t know what the Quraysh wanted before they asked him, and is obviously surprised. Worse for Muhammad, is that he, if a real prophet, could have easily satisfied the Quraysh by simply providing them with the Qur’an that he was ordered to read in the cave, but couldn’t before fleeing and hiding from his demonic attack, under Khadija’s skirts. But, as Muhammad didn’t get that book, we know his experience in the cave was a delusion or a demon attack, with no book at all. Now, let’s remember, that Moses got tablets of the 10 commandments from YHWH:

Moses with the Decalogue

These were placed (after some troubles) in the Ark:

Ark of the Covenant
Jew reading Torah
Christian reading Bible
Muhammad supposedly the “messenger”
Messenger sharing the Word

Muhammad admits to being only a human messenger, and NOT having a message.

There’s an interesting story in Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 17:90:

Quraysh: “O Muhammad, we have sent for you so that nobody will think we are to blame. By Allah we do not know any man among the Arabs who has brought to his people what you have brought to your people. You have slandered our forefathers, criticized our religion, insulted our reason, slandered our gods and caused division. There is no objectionable thing that you have not brought between us. If you are preaching these things because you want wealth, we will collect some of our wealth together for you and make you the wealthiest man among us. If you are looking for position, we will make you our leader. If you are looking for kingship, we will make you our king. If what has come to you is a type of Jinn that has possessed you, then we can spend our money looking for the medicine that will rid you of it so that no one will think we are to blame.”

Muhammad: “My case is not as you say. I have not brought what I have brought to you because I want your wealth or to be your leader or king. But Allah has sent me to you as a Messenger and has revealed to me a Book and has commanded me to bring you good news and a warning. So, I have conveyed to you the Messages of my Lord and have advised you accordingly. If you accept what I have brought to you, then this is your good fortune in this world and the Hereafter, but if you reject it, I shall wait patiently for the command of Allah until Allah judges between me and you.

Quraysh: “O Muhammad, if you do not accept what we have offered you, then you know that there is no other people whose country is smaller, whose wealth is less and whose life is harder than ours, so ask your Lord Who has sent you with what He has sent you, to move away these mountains for us that are constricting us, to make our land wider and cause rivers to gush forth in it like the rivers of Syria and Iraq, and to resurrect for us those of our forefathers who have passed away. Let there be among those whom He resurrects Qusayy bin Kilab, for he was a truthful old man, and we will ask them whether what you are saying is true or false. If you do what we are asking, and they (the people who are resurrected) say that you are telling the truth, then we will believe you and acknowledge your status with Allah and believe that He has sent you as a Messenger as you say.

Muhammad: I was not sent for this purpose. I have brought to you from Allah that with which He has sent me, and I have conveyed to you the Message with which I was sent to you. If you accept what I have brought to you, then this is your good fortune in this world and the Hereafter, but if you reject it, I shall wait patiently for the command of Allah until Allah judges between me and you.

Quraysh: “If you will not do this for us, then at least do something for yourself. Ask your Lord to send an angel to confirm that what you are saying is the truth and to speak up on your behalf. Ask Him to give you gardens and treasures and palaces of gold and silver, and to make you independent so that you will not have to do what we see you doing, for you stand in the marketplaces seeking provision just as we do. Then we will know the virtue of your position with your Lord and whether you are a Messenger as you claim.”

Muhammad: “I will not do that, and I will not ask my Lord for this. I was not sent to you for this reason. But Allah has sent me to you to bring you good news and a warning. If you accept what I have brought to you, then this is your good fortune in this world and the Hereafter, but if you reject it, I shall wait patiently for the command of Allah until Allah judges between me and you.”

Quraysh: “Then cause the sky to fall upon us, as you claim that if your Lord wills, He can do that. We will not believe in you until you do this.”

Muhammad: “That is for Allah to decide. If He wills, He will do that to you.”

Quraysh: “O Muhammad, did your Lord not know that we would sit with you and ask you what we have asked and make the requests that we have made He should have told you beforehand and taught you how to reply to us, and informed you what He would do to us if we do not accept what you have brought to us. We have heard that the one who is teaching you this, is a man in Al-Yamamah called Ar-Rahman. By Allah, we will never believe in Ar-Rahman. We are warning you, O Muhammad, that we will not let you do what you want to do until you or we are destroyed.”

One of the Quraysh: “We worship the angels who are the daughters of Allah.”

Another of the Quraysh: “We will never believe in you until you bring Allah and the angels before (us) face to face.”

When they said this, the Messenger of Allah got up and left them.

Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 17:90

Notice that the Quraysh proved to Muhammad that he was a false prophet, unable to prophesy, with no access to the “unseen”, unassisted by any real god. In short, the Quraysh knew that Muhammad didn’t worship Allah. Continuing the story:

One of the Quraysh: “O Muhammad, your people have offered you what they have offered you, and you did not accept it. Then they asked for things for themselves so that they would know your position with Allah, and you did not do that for them. Then they asked you to hasten on the punishments with which you are scaring them. By Allah, I will never believe in you unless you take a ladder to heaven and ascend it while I am watching, then you bring with you an open book and four angels to testify that you are as you say. By Allah, even if you did that, I think that I would not believe you.”

Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 17:90

The scholars of Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 17:90 then mention how this one exchange, where the Quraysh outsmarted Muhammad, proving he was a false prophet and liar, then diversifies and corruptly spreads to multiple Koran verses, which proves that Muhammad’s recitation comes from Muhammad and friends, not from imaginary Allah, the stone idol of the Quraysh and Muhammad.

Allah, the dead, broken, stone idol, in Mecca, Petra, Jordan.

25:7 And they say, “What is this messenger that eats food and walks in the markets? Why was there not sent down to him an angel so he would be with him a warner? 8 Or [why is not] a treasure presented to him [from heaven], or does he [not] have a garden from which he eats?”

And the wrongdoers say, “You follow not but a man affected by magic.”

9 Look how they strike for you comparisons; but they have strayed, so they cannot [find] a way.

10 Blessed is He who, if He willed, could have made for you [something] better than that – gardens beneath which rivers flow – and could make for you palaces.

11 But they have denied the Hour, and We have prepared for those who deny the Hour a Blaze.

Koran 25:7-11

I’ve already refuted the earlier passages in Koran 10:94-97, Koran 6:111 and Koran 8:31-33, obviously without knowing and realising this deeper connection exposed by Tafsir scholars.

Muhammad takes the already existing Story of Shuaib and corruptly changes the story to be about his own rejection by the Quraysh, from the story above.

26:185 They said, “You are only of those affected by magic. 186 You are but a man like ourselves, and indeed, we think you are among the liars. 187 So cause to fall upon us fragments of the sky, if you should be of the truthful.”

188 He said, “My Lord is most knowing of what you do.”

189 And they denied him, so the punishment of the day of the black cloud seized them. Indeed, it was the punishment of a terrible day.

Koran 26:185-187

Continuing on, with Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 17:90:

This means a book in which there would be one page for each person, on which would be the words: “This is a book from Allah to so-and-so the son of so-and-so, which he would find by his head when he woke up in the morning.”

Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 17:90

This passage from Tafsir is further explored in Oneness, showing that a better Islam than Muhammad’s Islam is easily possible. The fact that this doesn’t happen, shows that Muhammad was a false prophet, for a false god, Allah, for a false religion, Islam, without even a false book, Koran.

The best replacement for this passage is: “”, the empty sentence.

2 thoughts on “Koran 17:90-93”

  1. […] Note that the first verse is a rhetorical question, where Muhammad inserts his own words in to the mouth of the Quraysh. Notice that even Muhammad admits that HIS own people do not know that “Has Allah sent a human messenger?”. Obviously Muhammad fails at being a messenger, not going to everyone of his own people. If Allah was real and not a stone idol, then obviously he should have chosen a better messenger than one that idles in the streets, buys at the market, and dawdles around, as shown in the previous passage. […]

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