Koran 17:60

And [remember, O Muhammad], when We told you, “Indeed, your Lord has encompassed the people.”

And We did not make the sight which We showed you except as a trial for the people, as was the accursed tree [mentioned] in the Qur’an.

And We threaten them, but it increases them not except in great transgression.

Koran 17:60

Demon Jibril torments Muhammad with:

And [remember, O Muhammad], when We told you, “Indeed, your Lord has encompassed the people.”

Excerpt, Koran 17:60

Where is “Indeed, your Lord has encompassed the people.” in Muhammad’s Koran, except here? Perhaps Muhammad forgot it? All my searches only “revealed” this verse. Perhaps Muhammad meant another verse where he used “encompassed“?

Demon Jibril torments Muhammad with: “And We did not make the sight which We showed you except as a trial for the people”, deliberately telling Muhammad that it was a
“sight” or vision and so not real.

The scholars of Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 17:60 make clear the perfectly clear words of Allah and Muhammad and Demon, about the “accursed tree”, with:

As for the cursed tree, this is the Tree of Zaqqum.

Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 17:60

As for “[mentioned] in the Qur’an”, note first this is chapter 17. The reference is to chapter 44:

44:43 Indeed, the tree of zaqqum 44 Is food for the sinful.

45 Like murky oil, it boils within bellies 46 Like the boiling of scalding water.

Koran 44:43-46

Chapter 17, which is supposed to be about the Night Journey, references Chapter 44, which was created BEFORE Chapter 17. Yet, Chapter 17 talks about the Night Journey in which Muhammad supposedly saw this Hellish fruit true, mentioned in Chapter 44.

Worse, there’s another reference in Chapter 56:

56:51 Then indeed you, O those astray [who are] deniers, 52 Will be eating from trees of zaqqum 53 And filling with it your bellies 54 And drinking on top of it from scalding water 55 And will drink as the drinking of thirsty camels.

Koran 56:51-55

That sounds pretty horrible. I wonder what “the drinking of thirsty camels” is, as I’ve never experienced this comparison, only seeing some camels (not drinking) on TV and in movies (again, not drinking).

So why isn’t this video in the Koran to tell people who don’t water camels what a thirsty camel drinks like? This video isn’t very good. The sounds of running water completely, drown out, the sound of the camel drinking. Let’s try another:

Again, the sound is mostly that of the flowing water, drowning out the water being drunk by the two camels, not a herd. Both videos seem like the camel isn’t very thirsty to me, for such a big animal in the desert.

I was going to post another video on camel drinking about Koran 56:51-55 but it looked like animal abuse to me, so I won’t post it. I grew disgusted at what seemed like the evil treatment of a poor camel by what seemed like Muslims to me. There’s no link to it, hidden or otherwise. I encourage you to NOT find it and NOT view it.

So, as you can see, obviously, this verse is not clear. I’m still unaware as to how a thirsty camel drinks, so how can the Koran apply to me? This extreme localisation of the Koran to a people who KNEW how a thirsty camel drinks, obviously shows Koran is local, to Muhammad’s time and place, his context, and so the Koran, Muhammad, Islam and Allah are all false. Worse the inability of the Koran to embed video clips of camels drinking, shows immediately that the Koran is from Muhammad (and friends) not from a real god.

Note especially the confirmation that “We” is Muhammad and Demon with: “And We threaten them, but it increases them not except in great transgression.” That’s Muhammad and Demon threatening people in Mecca.

But, Infidel, it was Muhammad threatening people! Then why the “We”? That “royal We“? Remember Allah doesn’t talk to people except through Muhammad as shown by this verse. So how do “We” talk to and threaten people, except by “We” being inside Muhammad’s head? Thus showing “We” is a demon infecting Muhammad.

Note that the picture above is Jack Fruit, supposedly named after the fruit of the Tree of Zaqqum.

There’s this amusing story in Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 17:60:

When the Messenger of Allah told them that he had seen Paradise and Hell, and seen the Tree of Zaqqum, they did not believe that, and Abu Jahl, upon whom be the curses of Allah, even said, “Bring us some dates and butter,” and he started eating them and saying, “Let us have some Zaqqum, we don’t know any other Zaqqum but this.”

Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 17:60

So, what are the fruits of Zaqqum? It seems like it’s merely dates and butter, perhaps this butter disagrees with Muhammad, “it boils within bellies”, giving him an upset tummy?

For more, see Story of Zaqqum.

The best replacement for this passage is: “”, the empty sentence.