Koran 7:172-174

7:172 And [mention] when your Lord took from the children of Adam – from their loins – their descendants and made them testify of themselves, [saying to them], “Am I not your Lord?”

They said, “Yes, we have testified.”

[This] – lest you should say on the day of Resurrection, “Indeed, we were of this unaware.”

173 Or [lest] you say, “It was only that our fathers associated [others in worship] with Allah before, and we were but descendants after them. Then would You destroy us for what the falsifiers have done?”

174 And thus do We [explain in] detail the verses, and perhaps they will return.

Koran 7:172-174

Muhammad spoke about Allah in the third person. This means this passage is not the perfect words of the perfect Qur’an from perfect Allah. Thus, Allah is false, imaginary, and fictional, which means Islamic doctrine and Islam are nonsensical and false.

Muhammad includes the imperfect words of imperfect others, an interlocutor who is only in Muhammad’s mind, instead of the perfect words of the perfect Qur’an from perfect Allah. This means that Muhammad’s recitation, Muhammad’s Koran, is not from Allah, which means Allah, Muhammad, Islamic doctrine, Islam, and Koran are incoherent and false.

The anonymous “they” and “you” here are Muhammad trying to speak as the Quraysh.

But, infidel, why are you so sure this passage relates to the Quraysh? It’s because of Muhammad’s “quote” for the Quraysh: “It was only that our fathers associated [others in worship] with Allah before, and we were but descendants after them.”. Associated with Allah refers to the Quraysh father of Muhammad who was called “Slave to Allah” and the Quraysh tribe who also worshipped besides Allah, the goddesses Al Lat, Al Uzza and Manat, along with respect and reverence to the Lion:

Note that this passage contradicts Islamic fate, by showing that the Quraysh have choices, even if forced by Muhammad. Also note that a competent prophet would know what people would say and not give them options, despite their choices. Jesus demonstrates this repeatedly in the Bible. Muhammad, being a deceiver, liar, poor orator and a false prophet, contradicts his Islamic doctrine of Fate and gives false alternatives to the Quraysh, starting from a point of error.

Note the false idea from Muhammad that humans are people before they are formed by the fusion of the father’s sperm and the mother’s egg. This comes from Galen, Pythagoras and other Greek scholars, who created this concept of Preformationism. For more, see: What are we? In short:

It suggests that all organisms were created at the same time, and that succeeding generations grow from homunculi, or animalcules, that have existed since the beginning of creation.

Preformationism

This nonsense leads Muhammad to think that people existed prior to their conception and birth, from the moment of creation thousands of years ago. Obviously failed Greek philosophy is not a divine revelation from Allah, thus Muhammad is shown as a “true” prophet of failed Greek scholars and a false prophet of imaginary Allah. Thus Allah is shown to be false, and Muhammad is stupid, a deceiver and a liar, which means Koran, Islamic doctrine and Islam are nonsensical and false.

Muhammad doesn’t think ahead: “lest you should say on the day of Resurrection”. 1400 years later, there’s no day of “Resurrection”. This day will never come from the imaginary Allah and the dead Muhammad, who is not divine. Justice delayed is not justice. This is simply a threat to the Quraysh people to believe in Muhammad or ELSE!

Muhammad lied: “And thus do We [explain in] detail the verses”. An obvious lie. Consider, for example, me simply linking to the 10 commandments here on this website, The Ten Commandments in the Torah or Bible, and The Two Commandments in Bible. The 10 commandments are further explained in Mosaic law and in the rabbinical commentary in Talmud. Two commandments are easy to understand and follow, and perfectly replace Mosaic laws, as Jesus explained and demonstrated in his life.

But, Infidel, Muhammad didn’t have hyperlinking, the internet, computers, electricity, or nuts and bolts back 1400 years ago! But you would agree that these technologies are trivial for the creator of the universe, life and everything to create, surely? Thus the Internet, hyperlinks, computers, electricity, nuts and bolts not being made by Allah, shows that Koran, Islamic doctrine, Islam, Muhammad and Allah are all lies, nonsense and false.

Muhammad is uncertain: “perhaps they will return.” For them to return, requires the Quraysh to exist. The Quraysh tribe was obliterated by Muhammad and his Muslim bandits, as they all were murdered or forced to convert to Islam.

The buffet of life has many choices you can make. Some are self-indulgent. Some are wrong. Some are right. Some are wrong now, but right later. Some are right now, but wrong later. Don’t limit yourself to what Muhammad the false prophet and liar forces upon you. As such, the best replacement for this passage is: “”, the empty sentence.